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Hmm,nisam baš toliko proučavao filmove,ali...sva oružja iz filma su prava,pa tako i one sjekire kojima su zatvorili vrata u Moriji,kada su se štitili od orkova,zatim su vjerojatno Moriju napravili isto onako kao i Helmovu klisuru i Minsa Tirith,balrog i trol su naravno digitalizirani.
jackson se zbilja potrudio vjerno je prenio knjigu na platno( i nama drage DVD-e ) , čuo sam da su se u nekim scenama morali stvarno udarati da izgleda realnije
Da bas sam i gledo kako je i moriju napravio.Ustvari Halls of Moria tamo gdje Druzinu opkole Goblini i pojavi se Balrog.
Sve napravljeno onako umanjeno,mislim da je visine 1.80 bili oni stubovi u pravoj velicini.
Da a sto mi je jos zanimljivo Argonath to je isto tako preterano.
Uuma ma' ten' rashwe, ta tuluva a' lle
Meni je pretjerano što je išao na utakmicu za kriket snimiti zvukove za scenu kada Saruman otkriva svoju vojsku.Ali fenomenalno,o tom nema zbora!
Stvarno nisam znao za to.
Da fora je.
Meni je isto onako preteran Minas Tirith isto u pravoj veličini su ga pravili,ali su samo 7 Levela Minas Tiritha napravili a 8 su Digitalizirali
A i Hobiton to je stvarno,isto je tako P.J iso kod nekog lika sto je imo farmu na tom mjestu di su oni htjeli Hobiton napravit.I tako P.J kupio od lika i skroz sve unistio i onda pravili Hobiton.
Isto tako sam vidio na nekoj stranic da je u svojoj Vili napravio Hobitske kuce,kao za Goste.
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Koliko sam ja shvatio u Hrvatskoj će se 14. Travnja u prodaji naći i hrvatski prijevod zajedno sa engleskim originalnim?
Sta to Durine?
Children of Hurin!!!
Jedva Cekam :pray: :pray: :pray:
Da,i na hrvatskom.Ja ću ipak uzeti na engleskom.
Tako skoro? E hvala na obavijesti, i ja ću se potruditi nabaviti ga na Engleskom. :wink:
Okej....odbrojavanje do izlaska knjige se broji u satima...ja iscekujem i rezultate nagradne igre,pa da me usrece jednim primjerkom sa potpisom Alana Lee-a...
Mislite li da ce bit pomame za "Djecom Hurinovom"?
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E da,narode,nece biti odmah i hrvatskoga prijevoda...tek za par mjeseci...ne znam gdje si to vidio Durine...
Sta ste se usutili ajde dajte temu pa da pricamo!
Kupio sam "Hurinovu djecu" na hrvatskom,Algoritam,119 kn (ali sam platio 107kn pošto je prvi dan prodaje bilo 10% popusta),knjiga je odlična,ilustracije Alana Leea su za svaku pohvalu,nisam je još pročitao do kraja zbog manjka slobodnog vremena,ali sam na pola došao.
zčim završi škola odmah naručujem tu knjigu, bila dobra ili loša ja je narulčujem, makar ne vjerujem da je loša jer mi je priča o Turini jebena. Ali stvarno nisam znao da se može preko algoruitam onoliko knjiga od tolkiena kupiti.
Prije tri dana na sluzben im stranicama Algoritma nije bilo govora o hrvatskom prijevodu,a sad eto...i propustio popust...no,nema frke,sad ce mi to frendica u zg kupit...
Durine,daj samo reci,jel' knjiga ima jos toga ponudit,sto se tice Turina?
I iznenadilo me je da je knjiga tako jeftina,nakon silne hajke...
Pa knjiga je poprilično tanka ,recimo hrvatski prijevod knjige je 2x tanji od hrvatskog prijevoda Silmarilliona.Knjiga ti ima oko 200+ stranica,zajedno priča sa kazalom (pojmovnik pripovijesti o Hurinovoj djeci),rodoslovljima,"Evolucija velikih pripovijesti" (10 strana),Sastav teksta (8 strana) i rodoslovlja (pojednostavljeno,2 strane).U knjizi ćeš naći par ilustracija Alana Leea koje prikazuju Amon Rudh,ulaz u Menegroth,kako Hurin sjedi na vrhu stolice na Thangorodrimu (veoma će te podsjetiti na Orodruin iz filma Gospodar Prstenova),i još par njih od kojih mi se osobno najviše svidjela slika koja prikazuje Glaurunga kako pali šume u Brethilu.Zemljovid je pojednostavljen,samo ono je prikazano što se spominje u pripovijesti,dakle bez Modroga Gorja i Ossirianda na istoku.To je što se tiče estetskih dodataka.Sada malo na pripovijest.Neki (poput Gothmoga koji je posebno kivan na Christophera Tolkiena) bi mogli reći "zar samo to?!".Iskreno,ja je još nisam do kraja pročitao pa vam ne mogu reći sve detaljnije (tebam još doći do Nienor,Brethila,Glaurunga,smrti Turinove itd.) ali puno toga što ćete pročitati ćete već znati iz Nedovršenih pripovijesti.Ali ima i puno toga što još ne znate.Osobno ja sam oduševljen knjigom,i to potpuno.Dakle nema više onoga poput "Nedovršenih pripovijesti",pola stranice teksta,pola fusnota,i na kraju verzije od A do Ž(eljeza).U pripovijesti nećete naći niti jednu aluziju na autora ili brisanje,ili preimenovanja,i nećkanje oko toga kako bi konačna pripovijest trebala izgledati.To je POTPUNO dovršeno djelo koje će "usisati" svakog ljubitelja Gospodara prstenova koji nije pročitao Silmarillion.A to znači da će sve neupućene u Drevne Dane uvesti kratak Uvod:Međuzemlje u Drevnim Danima od deset stranica.Prije bih rekao da bi vas Hurinova djeca mogla ponukati na čitanje Silmarilliona nego obrnuto.Knjiga je naprosto odlična i zaslužuje da je svatko ima.Nema onakvih dijaloga poput u Gospodaru,priča se više oslanja na pripovijedanje (zato i je pripovijest),ali opet ih ima poprilično.Pripovijest sada prati svaku crtu Turinova života,od rođenja,njegova odnosa prema majci Morwen,prema ostalima,Labadalu,i tu ćete puno više saznati o njemu nego igdje drugdje,knjiga će vam posebno i nenametljivo ukazati na Morgothovo prokletstvo koje je on bacio na Hurina i njegovu djecu.Nemam vam ništa drugo poručiti nego da nabavljate knjigu i to odmah.
jel zna netko kolko u algoritmu koštaju svi dijelovi trilogije LOTR (knjige of kors)???
neznam otprilike svaki je oko makximalno 120 kn= Citat =:
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vidim da je malo tema zamrla pa da je malo pokrenem ,evo pitanja
koliko su zapravo bili veliki balrozi?
Sut naa lle umien sina re
EVO PRIJATELJU PA ČITAJ :) :) :)
Demons of shadow and flame. Balrogs were creatures of great power and terror. Their fundamental form appeared to be that of a man of great stature, but they were cloaked in shifting shadows and they had fiery cores. Balrogs had burning yellow eyes and streaming manes that kindled with fire. Their arms were long and powerful, and they may or may not have had wings (see below). The Balrogs' chief weapons were whips with flaming thongs.
Balrogs belonged to the order of the Maiar - the servants of the Valar. The Balrogs were originally spirits of fire that were corrupted by Morgoth in the beginning. They dwelled in Morgoth's strongholds of Utumno and Angband in Middle-earth. When those fortresses were destroyed by the Valar in the Battle of the Powers, some Balrogs hid in the caverns below and they awaited Morgoth's return from captivity.
After Morgoth was released, he stole the Silmarils. The Great Spider Ungoliant tried to take them from him, but Morgoth gave a terrible cry and the Balrogs heard him and came to his aid. They freed Morgoth from Ungoliant's webs with their flaming whips and Ungoliant fled from them in fear.
The Elf-craftsman Feanor marched on Angband to retrieve the Silmarils he had made, and Balrogs came forth and surrounded him. Feanor fought long and hard and received many wounds from their fiery whips until at last he was struck down by Gothmog, the Lord of the Balrogs. Feanor later died of his wounds. Afterwards, Morgoth said he would negotiate with the Elves, but he sent Balrogs with his emissaries and Feanor's son Maedhros was taken captive.
During the Battle of Sudden Flame in the year 455 of the First Age, Glaurung the Dragon led a host of Balrogs and Orcs to attack the Elves and Men. At the Battle of Unnumbered Tears in 472, Gothmog, Lord of the Balrogs, slew Fingon, the High King of the Noldor. Another Balrog trapped Fingon with its fiery whip while Gothmog cleaved Fingon's helmet with his axe, and then the Balrogs beat him into the ground with their maces.
Balrogs were among the forces that attacked the hidden realm of Gondolin in 510. Gothmog battled the Elf-lord Ecthelion and they both were slain. Another Balrog tried to prevent the escape of Tuor, Idril, and Earendil in the pass called the Eagles' Cleft. Glorfindel engaged the Balrog in battle to allow the others to escape. They fought on the precipice and both fell into the abyss to their deaths.
When the Valar vanquished Morgoth in the War of Wrath at the end of the First Age, most of the Balrogs were destroyed, but it is said that a few fled into deep underground caverns. The fate of only one of these is known: It went to the Misty Mountains and hid at the roots of the Redhorn, where it lurked for over 6,000 years.
In 1980 of the Third Age, the Dwarves of Khazad-dum were delving under the Redhorn for mithril when they encountered the Balrog. The Balrog may have been roused by their mining or it may already have awakened in response to the growing power of Sauron. King Durin VI was slain by the Balrog, and the next year it killed Durin's son Nain I. The Dwarves abandoned Khazad-dum and it became known as Moria, the Black Chasm, and Orcs and other evil creatures came to dwell there.
In 2989, Balin came to Moria to try to reestablish a Dwarf colony there, and the Balrog stirred once more. The colony was destroyed just a few years later in 2994.
The Fellowship of the Ring entered Moria on January 13, 3019, and the Balrog became aware of their presence. On January 15, the Balrog entered the Chamber of Mazarbul after the Fellowship had left and it perceived Gandalf beyond the door. Like the Balrog, Gandalf too was of the order of Maiar. Gandalf placed a shutting spell on the door, but the Balrog cast a counter-spell and was nearly able to open the door, and then Gandalf spoke a word of Command. In the struggle between the two, the door shattered and the roof of the chamber collapsed.
The Balrog escaped and pursued the Fellowship to the Bridge of Khazad-dum. Gandalf remained on the bridge and denied the Balrog passage. The Balrog wielded a whip of many thongs and a flaming sword. Gandalf used Glamdring to shatter the blade of the Balrog's sword into molten fragments. He then struck the bridge with his staff and the stone cracked under the Balrog's feet. The Balrog fell into the abyss with a terrible cry and it lashed its whip and caught Gandalf around the knees, dragging the Wizard in after it.
The Balrog and Gandalf fell together for a long time, and Gandalf was burned by the creature's fire. They landed in a subterranean lake at the root of the mountains. The Balrog's fire was quenched and it became slimy, but it remained strong and it continued to battle with Gandalf. Then the Balrog fled through the tunnels to the Endless Stair and climbed to the peak of the Silvertine with Gandalf in pursuit.
The Balrog burst into flame again, and it fought Gandalf in the Battle of the Peak from January 23 to 25. At last Gandalf threw the Balrog down from the peak and it shattered the mountain-side and died. Gandalf died as well, but he was returned to life as Gandalf the White.
There are no further reports of Balrogs in the history of Middle-earth, so the Balrog of Moria may well have been the last of its kind.
Do Balrogs have wings?
This is one of the most debated issues among Tolkien fans. There is no definitive answer. The question centers mainly on these sentences describing the Balrog:
The Balrog ... halted again, facing him, and the shadow about it reached out like two vast wings ... It stepped forward slowly on to the bridge, and suddenly it drew itself up to a great height, and its wings were spread from wall to wall ...
The Fellowship of the Ring: "The Bridge of Khazad-dum," p. 344-45
This passage can be read two ways. Those who believe that Balrogs have wings interpret this as saying that the Balrog had physical wings on its body that it spread from wall to wall. Those on the opposing side say that the wings that were spread out were not real wings, but were instead the shadow around the Balrog, which is described as reaching out like wings.
There are a few other ambiguous passages that are relevant to the debate:
"Thus they roused from sleep a thing of terror that, flying from Thangorodrim, had lain hidden ..."
Appendix A: "Durin's Folk," p. 353
Here flying may be used in the sense of traveling through the air, or it may mean fleeing.
"Swiftly they [the Balrogs]Sarose, and they passed with winged speed over Hithlum ..."
The History of Middle-earth, vol. X, Morgoth's Ring: "Of the Thieves' Quarrel," p. 297
The phrase "winged speed" may be used literally or metaphorically.
"Too much it reminded me of the shadow in Moria - the shadow of the Balrog."
The Fellowship of the Ring: "The Great River," p. 404
In this quote, Gimli is reacting to encountering a Winged Nazgul for the first time. Gimli may be referring to the physical shape of the creature, or the shape of its shadow, or even simply the feeling of terror it evoked.
Another issue cited by those who think Balrogs do not have wings it that Balrogs do not fly in several instances when it would benefit them to do so. For example, when Glorfindel battled the Balrog at Gondolin, the Balrog fell to its death and did not save itself by flying as one might expect if it had wings. The Balrog that Gandalf battled also fell into an abyss and was later cast down from the peak of the Silvertine.
Those who believe that Balrogs have wings explain this lack of flying in a variety of ways. Some say that Balrogs could not use their wings to fly. Others say that in these particular circumstances the Balrogs were unable to fly, either because of the trajectory of the fall, the narrowness of the space, or the injuries sustained in combat.
In the end, there is nothing in Tolkien's writings that definitively states whether he intended for Balrogs to have wings or not. So - unless someone encounters a Balrog in the modern world and lives to tell the tale - the question of whether Balrogs have wings remains open to each reader's interpretation.
Names & Etymology:
The name Balrog means "Demon of Might" in Sindarin from bal meaning "power" and rog meaning "demon."
Also called Valarauko (singular) and Valaraukar (plural) in Quenya. Valarauko also means "Demon of Might" from val meaning "power" and rauko meaning "demon."
The Balrog of Moria was called Durin's Bane because it killed King Durin VI. A bane is a cause of death, ruin or harm. Legolas called it an elf-bane because in the First Age a number of Elves were slain by Balrogs.
Gandalf called the Balrog Flame of Udun. Udun essentially means "Hell." It was another name for Morgoth's terrible underground stronghold Utumno where the Balrogs once dwelled. (Note that there was also a valley in Mordor named Udun, which probably was named for Utumno, but which had no connection with Balrogs.)
Lle ume quel demon hunter
ali rekao si mnogo stvari o balrozima , ali koliko su veliki (visoki)
btw gdje nalazis te tekstove
je li na grey havensu
http://www.tuckborough.net/mirkwood.html
Odlična stranica.Ima sve to ti je Enciklopedija Middle Eartha!
A neznam valda pise negdi koliki su,probaj u Google-u.Trazit!
Pa veliki su! :D :D :D
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Balrozi mijenjaju fizicke oblike....silmarillion,dude!
Ono sve je nasao na eniklopediji Arde--- http://www.glyphweb.com/
Dobijam knjigu u petak...Demon, coool the Gurthang!!!! :killyou:
ok vjerujem da su neki bili majni mozda , a neki veci.Pise u fotr ( fellowship of the ring) da je balrog citiram "It stepped forward slowly on to the bridge, and suddenly it drew itself up to a great height, and its wings were spread from wall to wall... Imao je krila, je li mogao letjeti ?
ima ko link koji prevodi s eng na vilenjački?
Pa logicno je ako ima krila da moze letit!
E sorry Gothmog nikako da uvatim vremena pa da ga bacim na net.Sliko sam ga vec onda kad si mi reko.Al nemogu uvatit vremena.
Jednom prilikom!
Mislim da vi ne shvaćate da raspravljate o tome što se ne zna pouzdano.Do danas nije sigurno (i vode se rasprave o tome) da li su balrozi mogli letjeti,koliko su bili visoki itd.Ne želim ulaziti u rasprave tipa "HR Tolkien board"gdje npr. postavi pitanje "Što je golum osjećao na kraju?" pa se onda izredaju 100 str. postova tipa "Bljesnula mu je zelena vatra u očima" pa još 50 stranica "jest" i "nije" i onda još koji 200 str. punih postova tipa "super ti je sig XY" "odlična slika ŽNJ",dakle u kojima se poput male djece od 10g. svađaju preko foruma.Eh,da,pročitao sam Hurinovu djecu do kraja,odlična knjiga,jedna od najdepresivnijih za mene.
Kad si pre procito majke ti....Znaci super je knjiga i ja moram sto prije da je uzmem.
Pa stvarno si brzo procito tih 200 ili koliko ih vec ima stranica!
E i ja sam bio na HR Tolkien Board Forumu pa oni tamo nisu normalni.Jebote oni raspravljaju o BILJKAMA Middle Eartha.
To je npr jedna od tema.
Nemres bilivit.
Nebrini Gothmog dobices slike!
Slažem se. Odlična knjiga... Pomalo se vidi utjecaj antičkih tragedija...= Citat =:
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Znaci ipak postoji verzija knjige od mizernih 900-tinjak kuna....uh!= Citat =:
Amazon najavio luksuzno izdanje Hurinove djece
Amazon.co.uk na svojim je stranicama najavio luksuzno izdanje Hurinove djece po cijeni od 80 funti. Izdanje će svojim uvezom odgovarati ranijim luksuznim izdanjima Hobbita i Gospodara prstenova. Najvjerojatnije će biti tiskano u ogranicenom broju, a čuju se i glasine da bi prvih nekoliko primjeraka trebali potpisati Alan Lee i Christopher Tolkien.
Eto,procitao knjigu,i jedino sto mogu reci,jest da je u predgovoru sve receno...
Svidja li vam se "Hurinova djeca",definitivno cete posegnuti i za "Silmarillionom",ukoliko ga niste procitali...
A sto se Alana Leea tice...kapa dolje...nevjerovatne ilustracije! :pray: